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George is having Wednesday nite chapter summary in Riverside, CA. courtesy of Mike and Janine Almanzor. A dozen or so people attend, the majority being ignorant of who the man is. (10% of 10 people's salary=100% of one person's salary. George is in the black again!)
Some observations:
1.) the ex-leaders in Riverside bear the brunt of the responsibility here.
2.) The ex-leaders in Fullerton (they sponsored Riverside) bear an equal share.
3.) Silence, cowardice and fear is the fuel that runs George's engine
I think I have done enough, as far as being point-man. It's time for other people to step up and do something about this. Any takers?
some ideas:
Newspaper ads
Website updates, with names and addresses
Warning local Christian pastors.
This takes time and committment, and chances are no one will do anything. After all, precious few did anything for 30 years, (Thanks Tom, Mark, Steve and Dave! You guys greatly helped me!) and the recent batch of ex-leaders are still under the Code of Silence.
My conscience is clear in this matter, I have done my part. I will be happy to help and support, but I am not going to do this myself. Yet, something needs to be done.
I hope that this finds its way to the ex-leaders, as they are responsible to warn others about George. Don't you wish the unfaithfull PB guys had made more of an effort to warn us in the past? Do any of you want to make sure that the ex-leaders get this info? Hint: they all work at AMR, and their emails are on the web....
I think most of them have phones too.
So, are any of you going to do anything about this? Oh, one other thing, "giving it to The Lord, and coming before the Throne," is the first part of the solution. However, the second half is to DO something about it! Real Faith works. Dead faith wishes.
Please feel uncomfortable.
BTW, this would be a really good way for Tim Geftakys to demonstrate who he really is, not to mention the brave guys who excommunicated George. Yes, I mean them! Those guys, you know, Mark, Dan, Jim, Keith, Gary, remember them?
The righteous are as bold as lions, but the wicked flee when no man pursues.
Brent
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enchilada
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2003, 11:29:52 pm » |
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We can't follow Goerge around everywhere he goes and warn people about him with a bullhorn, although that would be the ideal solution. However, the internet seems to provide a good alternative. His future followers are bound to type his name into a search engine and have a dose of reality. Unfortunately, there will always be cults because there's a market for them: people willing to shave their heads off and hang out at street corners and sell flowers; and people willing to spend an inordinant amount of time at meetings to hear an egomaniac pontificate stuff from the Bible.
Brent and others he mentioned are to be commended again for his work of love in the development of this excellent website and bb. Thanks again for this site.
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2003, 11:37:57 pm » |
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In the year of our lord thirteen fourteen, patriots of Scotland, starving and outnumbered, charged the fields of Bannockburn. They fought like warrior poets. They fought like Scotsmen. And won their freedom.
And I see, a whole army of my countrymen, here in defiance of tyranny. You've come to fight as free men, and free men you are. What will you do with that freedom? Will you fight?
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Many now taste freedom in Christ, and God has made us free to be warrior poets. What will you do with that freedom? George is doing his thing again. Will you not only pray, but call OR write and do something that the wee sheep might be protected?
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CALVARY CHAPEL REDLANDS PHONE:
For more Information Call (909) 793-8744
CALVARY CHAPEL RIVERSIDE
Calvary Chapel Of Riverside, (909) 687-6902,
6115 Arlington Ave, Riverside, CA 92504
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LOCAL REDLAND CHURCHES
First Presbyterian Church
100 Cajon St
Redlands, CA
Highest Praise Apostolic Church
721 Nevada St Ste 408
Redlands, CA
Inland Olive Presbyterian
2 W Olive Ave
Redlands, CA
Loma Linda Indonesian Seventh Day Adventist
10827 California St
Redlands, CA
Loma Linda Japanese Co Seventh Day Adventist
721 Nevada St
Redlands, CA
Redlands Alliance Church
301 Cajon St
Redlands, CA
Redlands Apostolic Church
1205 Texas St
Redlands, CA
Redlands Christian Center
804 Church St
Redlands, CA
Redlands Church Rist
1000 Roosevelt Rd
Redlands, CA
Redlands United Church Rist
168 Bellevue Ave
Redlands, CA
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2003, 11:50:12 pm » |
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Defintion of Insanity:
He who does the same thing over and over again yet
expects a different result"----Benjamin Franklin.
George and his followers are insane.
--Joe
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2003, 02:20:03 am » |
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Hi folks,
I first met GG in December 1969 when he was just starting out to build his "house" the first time.
George was, as I recall, 41 years old at the time. Betty was about 45 or 46.
Now they are about 75 and 80 years old.
My prediction would be that whatever they build this time, it won't amount to very much.
But...as P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute".
Tom M.
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2003, 02:26:08 am » |
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Hi folks,
I first met GG in December 1969 when he was just starting out to build his "house" the first time.
George was, as I recall, 41 years old at the time. Betty was about 45 or 46.
Now they are about 75 and 80 years old.
My prediction would be that whatever they build this time, it won't amount to very much.
But...as P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute".
Tom M.
Yes, quite true. However, he knows his time is short, and there is no telling what mischief his sons could cause in his absence. Almanzor was never the sharpest tool in the shed, but who knows what a little "training," from Bro. George could accomplish? I think we make a mistake to underestimate the damage that George is still capable of. What if he is invited to go to Nigeria or France? (I guess France is where he belongs....serves them right!  ) I wonder how many people wrote him off as insignificant the first time? In one sense, he was insignificant. However, in my life nothing could be further from the truth. Brent |
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2003, 04:07:48 am » |
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Quote from: Brent Tr0ckman on Rest-for-the-Weary BB at 02:22:27pm
I'm with you!
[/b][/u] I am going to try to get Aaron Russo and Jeremy Zimmerman on board. They are the ex-leaders from Riverside, who are "outathere." I think a weeklong add in the paper, stating only the facts is in order. Something like this: __________________ Important Information Local Bible Study given by controversial, disgraced leader. George Geftakys is teaching a Bible Study at xxxx Shady Lane on Wednesday night at 7PM. The house that is hosting Mr. Geftakys is the residence of Mike and Janine Almanzor, long time associates of George Geftakys, and part of the leadership structure of his recently failed ministry, known as "The Assembly." Among other things, Mr. Geftakys was excommunicated by his former followers for improper sexual relationships with several female members of his church, which were ongoing for over twenty years. Mr. Geftakys was at the helm of his small, secretive group for over thirty years, during which time the group never disclosed income or expenses, and had no financial statements of any kind. George Geftakys has been labeled a cult leader by several authorities, including Dr. Ronald Enroth, author of the popular and widely read books, Churches That Abuse, and Recovering From Churches That Abuse. In addition, there are several websites that contain vast amounts of information regarding George, the collapse of his ministry, and the various aspects of his doctrine that have been rejected by Christian leaders and teachers. www.rickross.com www.geftakysassembly.comor, search the web under the name, GEFTAKYS Paid for by former followers of George Geftakys, and Christians in this community. [/color] ________________________________________ Totally, Totally - Absolutely - Agree, Brent! Brent, if you take-out some ads on this GG meeting I'll chip in cash $$$...I'll match anyone up to $200! If two match me I'll pop for $250. I'll also be willing to write up an account of what George Geftakys did to our family. Ladies and gentlemen, let's spill some ink! Wayne and Pat Mathews!...I love you dear In-laws! 53 of us, 25 years...No, no, not again! Not again! Who else will help to underwrite these ads? Spiritual abusers should be identified to the community. Also, if someone will call the churches and get the local pastors names and personal numbers - I'll call a bunch of them after the ads have run for a few days. Who else will join me, guys? I'm ready to get on a plane, and go visit George and some of his disciples out there...Do some door-to-door visits...Get my drift. Come-on, you California people! These folks are waundering off to slaughter - Won't you hold them back?! I want no blood on my hands! Never, never, never - Ever again!
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2003, 04:58:25 am » |
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Okay, okay, in my last post I said I wouldn't post anymore. So I changed my mind already! I am with you in wanting to take out a newspaper ad. If you give me a contact person, I will send some $$. But to me, those Geftakys assemblies which are being dishonest yet are trying to continue are just as dangerous as George - especially the ones which still have 'training homes' and are trying to recruit young people into their group. Shall we also take out a local ad in the paper regarding the assembly in Placentia? mithrandir p.s., William Wallace, please allow me to introduce myself. I know a very small bit about Scottish history. Have you read Tolkien? |
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2003, 05:08:25 am » |
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Wee bit of a Tolkien fan - laddy.  |
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2003, 05:08:41 am » |
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"All that’s necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing." EDWARD BURKE *** The lads here will not left left behind in the fray: count me in to pitch in for an ad. If EVERY person who posts, gives A CALL or WRITES in the next TWO weeks the fire will burn brightly against the long shadow of Mr. Geftakys. How long will a man hide in the shadows? *** Brent did the 6 week challenge: TAKE THE TWO WEEK CHALLENGE Two weeks of writing and calling...people. TWO WEEKS. More addresses with phone numbers. Hope Protestant Reformed Church Pastor Arie den Hartog 1307 E. Brockton Avenue, Redlands, CA 92374 Pastor Richard A. Hites First Lutheran Church of Redlands 1207 West Cypress Avenue Redlands, CA 92373 (909)793-2267 (909)793-8637 pastorhites@firstlutheranredlands.org The River Christian Reformed Church Senior Pastor - Tim Spykstra Youth Pastor - Ryan Pelton 459 E. Highland Ave. Redlands, CA 92373 Voice: (909) 798-2221 Fax: (909) 798-4133 Rev. Craig S. Turley (Runs a prayer ministry) (909) 793-8077 revcturley@cybertime.net Redlands CA 92373 AREA SCHOOLS University of Redlands Post Office Box 3080 1200 East Colton Ave. Redlands, CA 92373-0999 phone: (909)793-2121 fax: (909)793-2029 www.redlands.edu *** SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA RETIRED PASTORS Rex Britt 124 Dolores Ct. Redlands, A 92374 (909) 389-1136 brittrandj@cs.com |
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2003, 05:59:09 am » |
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Dan---
Your post is interesting. I recall circa 1974-1975 when
I first attended the Assembly that a group of people were outside holding signs which read "Beware Shepherd George!!" I asked what the commotion was and was told that they were "disgruntled ex-members".
I accepted that and continued to attend. I'm not sure what good holding up signs will do, maybe it will help. But it amazes me how history repeats itself.
--Joe
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2003, 06:14:09 am » |
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Quote from: Brent Tr0ckman on Rest-for-the-Weary BB at 02:22:27pm
I'm with you!
[/b][/u] I am going to try to get Aaron Russo and Jeremy Zimmerman on board. They are the ex-leaders from Riverside, who are "outathere." I think a weeklong add in the paper, stating only the facts is in order. Something like this: __________________ Important Information Local Bible Study given by controversial, disgraced leader. George Geftakys is teaching a Bible Study at xxxx Shady Lane on Wednesday night at 7PM. The house that is hosting Mr. Geftakys is the residence of Mike and Janine Almanzor, long time associates of George Geftakys, and part of the leadership structure of his recently failed ministry, known as "The Assembly." Among other things, Mr. Geftakys was excommunicated by his former followers for improper sexual relationships with several female members of his church, which were ongoing for over twenty years. Mr. Geftakys was at the helm of his small, secretive group for over thirty years, during which time the group never disclosed income or expenses, and had no financial statements of any kind. George Geftakys has been labeled a cult leader by several authorities, including Dr. Ronald Enroth, author of the popular and widely read books, Churches That Abuse, and Recovering From Churches That Abuse. In addition, there are several websites that contain vast amounts of information regarding George, the collapse of his ministry, and the various aspects of his doctrine that have been rejected by Christian leaders and teachers. www.rickross.com www.geftakysassembly.comor, search the web under the name, GEFTAKYS Paid for by former followers of George Geftakys, and Christians in this community. [/color] ________________________________________ Totally, Totally - Absolutely - Agree, Brent! Brent, if you take-out some ads on this GG meeting I'll chip in cash $$$...I'll match anyone up to $200! If two match me I'll pop for $250. I'll also be willing to write up an account of what George Geftakys did to our family. Ladies and gentlemen, let's spill some ink! Wayne and Pat Mathews!...I love you dear In-laws! 53 of us, 25 years...No, no, not again! Not again! Who else will help to underwrite these ads? Spiritual abusers should be identified to the community. Also, if someone will call the churches and get the local pastors names and personal numbers - I'll call a bunch of them after the ads have run for a few days. Who else will join me, guys? I'm ready to get on a plane, and go visit George and some of his disciples out there...Do some door-to-door visits...Get my drift. Come-on, you California people! These folks are waundering off to slaughter - Won't you hold them back?! I want no blood on my hands! Never, never, never - Ever again! Those of you with geographical proximity, this add should be posted immediately. Whoever takes charge of this contact me for my contribution. I will pay for the add for one full week. Dan's idea of silently standing outside the residence at the time of the study with a sign of the website is brilliant - those people in 1974 were faithful but probably grew weary. We have far more weapons today - Let's get busy...! Verne p.s. If you are not daily in the prayer closet about this, I recommend you stay on the sidelines until you are...it's that serious... |
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2003, 06:40:40 am » |
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Dan---
Your post is interesting. I recall circa 1974-1975 when
I first attended the Assembly that a group of people were outside holding signs which read "Beware Shepherd George!!" I asked what the commotion was and was told that they were "disgruntled ex-members".
I accepted that and continued to attend. I'm not sure what good holding up signs will do, maybe it will help. But it amazes me how history repeats itself.
--Joe
Joe, If you are talking about the guys in front of the Assistance League in Fullerton, they weren't ex-members at all. They were a little cult led by a guy we nicknamed "Bobby Bible". George called the cops on them when they tried to disrupt one of his eternal harrangues with questions. They were trying to get even. No one paid them any attention because we all knew they were kooks. (like we weren't?) God bless, Tom M. |
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I would think that Riverside is the key place to hit, as that is where the Bible study is located. UC Riverside is also there. The campuses will be starting the fall term soon--how about getting some information to the Dean of Students, Campus Crusade, Intervarsity, and post an announcement in the campus newspapers. Maybe someone can investigate if there is a book table at UCR, CSUF, FFC, or Riverside Community College.
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Here's another idea: Get a bunch of people to gather outside wherever George is doing his sales gig, and hold up a big sign that reads "geftakysassembly.com". No speeches or anything like that appears necessary, just some people to hold up the sign and some others to stand around. I'm willing to do it if some others are.
Wow! This is one time that I wish I lived in California. I'd be there in a heartbeat with a very large sign!!!! |
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