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Hello everyone:
This is not humorous in any way. I am quite serious about this.
As happens to me from time to time, I awoke this morning with an undeniable clear thought upon my mind:
George is going to repent.
Do I have any details? Do I have inside information? No. I don't.
However, without getting mystical on everyone, I have a similiar conviction about this as I did with the website. I just "know" it. I could be wrong, I could be deceived, I could be a mistaken mystic. Nevertheless, I have a clear picture in my mind of George repenting, and his wife with him.
They don't have much time left, and they have done much harm. Nothing would glorify God more than if George repented. Again, I'm not referring to a vague sort of repentance as we have seen with some of his servants. I am referring to real repentance, clear, zealous, and in writing, followed up by deeds. This would release his servants to repent also. I am not referring to restoration of his ministry. That is dead and gone, having been judged and condemned by the Most High. I am not talking about preserving the "work," or the "vision." I am talking about precious souls and powerful cleansing Blood.
I am not going to share all that is in my heart at this time, regarding this. However, I invite all of you to pray for this to happen. Pray as often as you can think of it.
One of the things I have learned in all of this is that right before something really great happens, there is always intense darkness and opposition, confusion even. It need not cause us any grief, because it is to be expected that our Enemy will fight back when God's Kingdom is moving forward, but sometimes it takes a few experiences to recognize when the warfare is taking place.
Again, I'm not trying to be a prophet, but I am convinced that something along these lines is happening right now. Pray for George and Betty.
Again, just to make it clear, I am not suggesting that he be restored to service, or that his house be saved, I am saying that he has a last opportunity, and that he must take advantage of it. I am not promising he will repent, but I am pleading with all of you to pray in this way.
We can only do so much to clean up the mess, and see people restored. George, with God's help, is the missing link to see all the captives go free.
Pray, pray, pray.
Brent Tr0ckman
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2003, 04:37:38 am » |
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Brent,
This is an "odd coincidence".
Last night I was talking to Caryl about GG's spiritual condition, and how he has reaped what he has sown.
I told her that I take no pleasure in his fall. In the early '70s I spent hundreds of hours with GG and he was a strong encouragement to me in my walk with the Lord.
I know that that doesn't exactly fit with the idea that the whole movement was a demonic scam from day one, but that's what really happened, at least in my experience.
It was when GG began to encounter what he percieved as threats to his control of where his movement would go and what it would be that the paranoia about Dan Smith, Bro. Miller, Fred Boyer, John Osterhuis' father and a couple of Dutch brethren surfaced. After that he began to attack any and all that he suspected of being what he called "ambitious". (like he wasn't?)
But I digress.....
Anyway, this morning we were taking prayer requests around my table group in our adult Sunday School class at EV Free in Fullerton. I asked the group to pray that GG would repent, and be able to ask forgiveness of the many he has damaged and hurt.
Now this....
Odd.
Thomas Maddux
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2003, 05:25:03 am » |
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This the hardest thing I have had to post. You have seen the way he has stirred my fury. And my assessment of him as a condemned apostate. I have not prayed for his repentance but rather his summary judgment. God alone is the ultimate judge. I will pray for his repentance.
Verne
Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
Esekiel 18:23
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2003, 06:42:09 am » |
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Pray for George and Betty.
Not because they are special servants of God, not because George's work must continue, but because as sinners, they have just as much warrant to God's grace as we do.
God would be glorified in this, and it would help break the chains that hold some of his followers. There is nothing more we can do, but there is much that God can do.
Pray for George's repentance! It's almost as if there is a brief window of opportunity for he and Betty. Don't ask me how I know this, I just know it. I don't find it odd at all that Tom shared what he did below. I expect that others are having similar experiences.
Pray. Pray for Steve Irons, Pray for Tom Maddux, Pray for Ronald Enroth, Pray for me. I know this sounds weird, but please pray.
Brent
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2003, 08:05:08 pm » |
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I remember Verne's post on one of the threads just recently talking about how the angels in heaven rejoice at the repentance of one sinner. I thought of George at that time and how if he were to truly repent everyone would be filled with joy. I am so filled with joy to see this thread---to pray for George and Betty's repentance is what the Lord would want for sure.
The Lord delights far more in mercy and lovingkindness than in judgment--and we should be like the Lord in our hearts. I will pray for their repentance from the bottom of my heart.
sincerely, Joe
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2003, 09:57:09 pm » |
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I have been praying for George and Betty's repentance for a long time now, but I seem to have given up praying for their sons. I thought that when George was publically exposed, that others including his sons would see this as a window of opportunity to repent, but after time I gave up hope, thinking if they can't repent now then how can they ever repent. Was I wrong? Could my grand ideas have been different than God's perfect plan? I find it difficult to explain why I have a burden to pray for some, and not for others. Perhaps if Tim repented it could open up his father's eyes and he too may repent. I don't feel bad about stopping praying for Tim and David, but I am confused. With Tim and David, I did not make a conscious decision to stop praying for them, it just happened. Could this have been from a lack of faith? Could I have been simply giving up on them, or could it have been God's leading? Although I don't have all the answers, this thread has got me thinking (now that could be dangerous!  ). Retread |
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2003, 11:47:04 pm » |
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To Bob Smith:
I agree that God loves everyone and doesn't want anyone to perish. I also agree that we need to pray for the repentance of those who hurt us in the Geftakys "ministry." But the record is clear that many of these prominent "servants of the Lord" were not really serving God at all, but were taking advantage of those in their care. One of the things we who have left have had to face is our anger over what has happened. That anger is a normal reaction to facts that are in plain sight. To not be angry is to bury one's head in the sand. The challenge now is to find righteous ways of dealing with that anger. Those righteous ways will inevitably lead to the Sermon on the Mount. But the people who walk those ways will do so with eyes wide open, understanding fully what was done to them, and the kind of people that did it, and thus knowing exactly what it means to forgive them.
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2003, 12:30:01 am » |
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George is going to repent.
Brent Tr0ckman
No one knows whether GG is saved or not.
Brent
George is an unbeliever, and needs to get saved.
Brent
Conclusion: George Geftakys is not saved.
Has it taken almost a year of this bb for people to say I have heard the Lord speak. Those of you following Brent, Verne, Brian are big time deceived. To have have such hate toward not only George but toward all who served the Lord in this ministry permeate this bb only to have their self righteous revelation: we need to pray for repentance. People, read your bibles! Ask God for clarity. Don't let the vindictive hatred of Brent and Verne poison your minds. That is the work of the devil (2Cor 11:3). Yes, you can blame everything on my "vindictive hatred." The problem is that no one else was willing to stand up and speak the truth. If someone filled with love had been willing to act, then you would not have been stuck with me. I am happy to accept the blame/responsibility. Also, George's repentance doesn't mean he is/isn't saved. He could be saved, he may not. Certainly, nothing seems to indicate strongly that he is currently a believer. Nevertheless, I am praying for his repentance. "Bob," please don't take this thread and turn it into an opportunity to denounce me. There are plenty of other threads for that. Also, you should thank me that I don't delete your posts, as is done on some other BB's. Doing the "devils" work, and asking people to pray for George and Betty, Brent |
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2003, 12:31:50 am » |
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George is going to repent.
Brent Tr0ckman
No one knows whether GG is saved or not.
Brent
George is an unbeliever, and needs to get saved.
Brent
Conclusion: George Geftakys is not saved.
Make up my mind already. Perhaps Brent is making up his mind. I don't know but for me, I am not sure if George is a believer or not. But I can say that his behavior would indicate that he was living a lie, and this makes it look to me that he may not be a believer. But regardless of whether or not he is a believer, he still needs to repent! Why is it if say Luke Robinson says we should pray for George's repentance he is attacked and ridiculed and labelled as deceived. If Brent says it all are on the band wagon. ("All" of course meaning the 5 regular posters to this bb.)
News Flash: There are many out there already praying for his repentance.
I am one of those who have been praying for his repentance for quite a while, but I still can't say if he is saved or not. Has it taken almost a year of this bb for people to say I have heard the Lord speak. Those of you following Brent, Verne, Brian are big time deceived. To have have such hate toward not only George but toward all who served the Lord in this ministry permeate this bb only to have their self righteous revelation: we need to pray for repentance.
Well, I for one disagree. I do not believe as you put it that there is a hatred to all who severed the Lord in the Geftakys ministry, despite how despicable some of their actions may have been. In fact I have great respect for many posters on this bb (probably no great surprise). Of the 400 plus members of this bb it would appear by the silence of the majority that they do not agree with what Brent et al have been proporting for the last year. Praise God for that! There were many more gody men and women serving the Lord than just Wayne Matthews and Steve Irons. There are still many godly men and women serving the Lord now. Many when they heard of the news of George fell on their knees crying out to God.
I don't know about gody (I assume that you did not mean gaudy ), but I have to agree that there were "Godly" men and women out there, and I see many of them posting here as well. People, read your bibles! Ask God for clarity. Don't let the vindictive hatred of Brent and Verne poison your minds. That is the work of the devil (2Cor 11:3).
I would venture a guess that most of the frequent posters here do read their Bibles, and do ask God for clarity. Hey Brent, did you know you had vindictive hatred that could poison my mind? How "not nice" of you to participate in the works of the devil. Perhaps my mind has already been poisoned. Is it okay if I blame you? Anyway, I have not seen it, but you are a sinner, so I guess anything is possible. Oh no, I left out Verne, perhaps it is your fault, can I blame you? Nope, I don't think so. Excuse me while I go find somebody to blame. |
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2003, 12:47:39 am » |
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George is going to repent.
Brent Tr0ckman
No one knows whether GG is saved or not.
Brent
George is an unbeliever, and needs to get saved.
Brent
Conclusion: George Geftakys is not saved.
Make up my mind already. Why is it if say Luke Robinson says we should pray for George's repentance he is attacked and ridiculed and labelled as deceived. If Brent says it all are on the band wagon. ("All" of course meaning the 5 regular posters to this bb.) News Flash: There are many out there already praying for his repentance. Has it taken almost a year of this bb for people to say I have heard the Lord speak. Those of you following Brent, Verne, Brian are big time deceived. To have have such hate toward not only George but toward all who served the Lord in this ministry permeate this bb only to have their self righteous revelation: we need to pray for repentance. Of the 400 plus members of this bb it would appear by the silence of the majority that they do not agree with what Brent et al have been proporting for the last year. Praise God for that! There were many more gody men and women serving the Lord than just Wayne Matthews and Steve Irons. There are still many godly men and women serving the Lord now. Many when they heard of the news of George fell on their knees crying out to God. People, read your bibles! Ask God for clarity. Don't let the vindictive hatred of Brent and Verne poison your minds. That is the work of the devil (2Cor 11:3). How can a simple request by Brent to pray for the repentance a fallen one be the work of the devil? ...unless he ate too much chocolate (devils's food) cake and developed a sugar rush that made him do it? But seriously, I don't see evidence of vindictive hatred against George on this bb. Lots of anger is shown, but hatred is not here. It is a confusing issue as to whether Goerge was ever saved. The only evidence is his statements at seminars, etc. Unfortunately, there is a credibility issue with his statements due to his actions. So, the only thing do do, in addition to warning people about the fool, is pray for his repentance. |
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2003, 12:55:52 am » |
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Bob---
I would just like to say that I took Brent's request to pray for George and Betty as fervency of prayer--a renewal to pray more strongly. I think all of us have prayed for George to repent from the beginning. But if Brent sees a bright light beginning to shine, I will quickly renew my prayers for George to repent too.
When you mention Luke, I never remember anyone attacking him for asking for prayers for George's repentance. I remember him making light of Assembly abuses and saying that they didn't really happen because HE didn't experience them. Luke always said "The Assembly was a blessed place, etc. etc. and then as an addition at the very end ".....of course, George still needs to repent". I found him very hurtful-as one who chides and mocks the severity of the wounds that others have endured.
As for Brent--I still find it amazing that people will come forward and accuse Brent of being "evil" when he was the one who led the tide to expose George and his "evil" in the first place! Wewouldn't even be talking about repentance if someone hadn't come forward to expose the Assembly. George would probably still be hurting the sheep and committing immoral acts to this day if someone hadn't stepped forward. It's the people who stayed in the background and said nothing that helped George continue his charade.
I will renew my fervency of prayer for George and Betty to repent---and by "repent" I mean a complete owning up to the wrongs they did to others--and a desire to make things right.
--Joe
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2003, 01:47:14 am » |
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Let's stick to the topic. Not much more needs to be said.
Pray for George and Betty.
Please use one the other threads to denounce me, or Verne. Mark C. hasn't had much lately, feel free to denounce him. However, the only purpose for this thread is that you would all pray for George and Betty.
Brent
I am happy to entertain your rebukes and character assessment on another thread...
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2003, 02:39:26 am » |
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Sorry -
I would rather eat dog crap than spend one second praying for George, Betty, or either of their poor excuse for human being sons.
Those who stayed in as adults -
you as mature people had a choice to be involved with this ministry. You chose to go forward and spend time in it, and were flat out fooled. I can understand that you are disapointed and sad by what has transpired, but at the end of the day, its on you.
As someone who was forced to be involved with this ministry from an early age, all I can say is that the harmful practices and child rearing techniques that place in that God awful environment took years to overcome. All of the B.S. that went on there and the stress that it caused seriously outweighs the little good that went on there.
As far as I'm concerned, George, his wife, particularly his sons, and any of their supporters can rot in hell.
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I feel your pain. One of the way I have dealt with the terrible aversion I feel for the man and what he did was to conclude that he fit the Scriptural category of a false prophet/teacher. When we read what God's Word says bout these individuals, the language is very harsh indeed. A lot of the people who take issue with some of the things said about the man need to be convinced in their own minds how they see him, but for what he did, the harshest of language is entirely justified. Why? Scripture use it, it is as simple as that.
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2003, 03:58:30 am » |
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Brent is right. Stop all the verbage here and use your energy to pray for them. Most of us already know what the regular posters think about George and Betty. Enough already! Pray.
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