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« on: December 21, 2004, 07:25:25 pm »

I thought you might enjoy this different perspective written by Orthodox Jewish Dennis Prager.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/printdp20041221.shtml



In defense of the 'commercialism' of Christmas
Dennis Prager

December 21, 2004


Every year, as predictable as the arrival of the winter solstice is the arrival of criticism about the commercialization of Christmas. We are told by well meaning killjoys that Christ and all religious meaning have been taken out of Christmas because Americans spend too much money on Christmas gifts and because stores have rendered Christmas little more than a great time to sell product.

If there is a better example of people complaining about something that is overwhelmingly good and wholesome, I would like to know what it is.

During one period of time each year, the great majority of Americans feel obligated to buy presents for their friends and relatives. Imagine that! What an awful thing!

This is beyond silly. It is actually harmful.

Here is the key rule governing criticizing: Before you criticize something, imagine its alternative.

Imagine that Christmas came around, the stores put up no Christmas decorations and no one bought gifts. Would we be a better society? To me, and I suspect to most Americans, the question is rhetorical. Of course we wouldn't. Why on earth would we be a better society if Thanksgiving to Christmas were no different than a month in October or August? Not having a special time of year such as Christmas time, a major part of which is gift buying, would be an incalculable loss to society.

Do some people spend too much money? Yes. But the solution to the problem of some people spending too much on Christmas presents is encouraging those people to spend less, not discouraging everyone from buying Christmas presents.

Spending one's money on presents for people is one of the nicest traditions in society and ought to be cultivated, not discouraged. People who don't buy Christmas or Chanukah gifts aren't particularly noble; they are usually particularly cheap. Or naive: When I raised this topic on my radio show, one woman called in to tell me that she doesn't spend any money on Christmas gifts for her grandchildren, instead she sends them poems she wrote. If there is a grandchild in the world who would rather receive Grandma's poetry than a tangible gift, I want to meet that child.

Furthermore, how much is "too much"? The term is so subjective as to border on meaningless. If one goes into such debt that he seriously depletes his savings or risks bankruptcy, one has spent too much. Otherwise, the term is simply an act of judgmentalism that may reflect more on the judge's generosity of spirit than on the person judged.

Another objection is that some people spend out of obligation, not out of purely loving or altruistic motives. Wow. This is a real eye-opener. You mean people sometimes do altruistic things out of a mixture of motives?

If we were to encourage only altruistic acts that come from pure love, few people would have children or get married, almost no gifts would ever be exchanged, and goodness would essentially come to an end. It is none of my business to judge why other people give Christmas gifts. It is only for me to appreciate the fact that they do.

And what about children? Various religious commentators warn that children will lose the real meaning of Christmas or Chanukah if they associate it with getting gifts. This is another corker. What child who waited all year and then all Christmas Eve to see what he or she would get for Christmas thought primarily about the theological implications of Christmas? Isn't it enough that some of the happiest memories of a Christian child are associated with one of the two holiest days of the Christian calendar? Would it really religiously benefit a child to receive no gifts on the day celebrating the birth of Jesus?

I received the biggest gifts of my childhood on Passover. My grandfather gave me expensive gifts (like a portable typewriter) for "stealing the afikoman," a ritual of sheer bribery devised by the rabbis many centuries ago to keep children awake as long as possible through the lengthy Passover Seder. Believe me, I thought a lot more about what I would get if I stole Papa's "afikoman," the matzo set aside for dessert, than I did about God liberating the Jewish slaves. But the "commercialism" of the Seder eventually worked, and I came to love Passover and believe that God took the Jews out of Egypt.

Finally, dear critics, Christmas is greatly honored by all the gift giving. Would you rather see gift giving associated with Halloween, for example? Wouldn't that signify that this society had now become overwhelmingly secular, if not pagan?

When you buy Christmas gifts, you bring joy to the recipients, you feel good about giving, you have spent time thinking about what the recipients would like, you keep many businesses alive, and most of all, you honor the holiday. It is incredible that all this is not obvious to everyone who cares about Christmas and about American society.


©2004 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2004, 06:59:01 am »

God bless killjoy Prager!

He brings up some good points, but he also downplays the significance of Hannukah in the ado of the "Christmas" season. Merchants and businesses indeed benefit from the season of the "festival of lights". And don't Jews, even nominally practicing ones, experience similar joy as "Chritsians" do (last paragraph)? And isn't our society pagan enough by unbelievers participating in a Christian holiday (or Jewish)? And is the last paragraph meant to be tongue-in-cheek?

By the way, Dennis Prager, Deepak Chopra, John MacArthur, and a few other noted religious leaders will be on Larry King this Friday, Christmas Eve, on CNN. I believe the topic is about Jesus. It should be a fascinating discussion!  
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2004, 11:00:43 pm »

He brings up some good points, but he also downplays the significance of Hannukah in the ado of the "Christmas" season. Merchants and businesses indeed benefit from the season of the "festival of lights". And don't Jews, even nominally practicing ones, experience similar joy as "Chritsians" do (last paragraph)? And isn't our society pagan enough by unbelievers participating in a Christian holiday (or Jewish)? And is the last paragraph meant to be tongue-in-cheek?
Sorry, Jerre, I guess I am not understanding what you are asking.  Of course Jews celebrate Hannukah and it adds to retail bottom line.  But, I am not sure how it detracts from Prager's point that there is some good even in an overcommercialized Christmas.

I thought the article was interesting because it stands in contrast to the "Christians should abstain completly" approach GG taught.
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2004, 02:52:33 am »

I love Christmas!  The best part of Christmas is buying gifts for my friends and family.  It makes me feel good to be able to bring a little sunshine in someone's life.

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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2004, 10:47:05 am »

..... "Christians should abstain completly" approach GG taught.
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We have two trees in the house this year.  Next year there will be three, with a thousand lights each, provided Home Depot continues to sell them for $39.99 each.   They bring a pleasant ambience to the home....so GG can kiss my tree trunks.  I pray he'll repent and hope he'll stop being a grinch.

Dan
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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2004, 10:30:07 pm »

..... "Christians should abstain completly" approach GG taught.
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We have two trees in the house this year.  Next year there will be three, with a thousand lights each, provided Home Depot continues to sell them for $39.99 each.   They bring a pleasant ambience to the home....so GG can kiss my tree trunks.  I pray he'll repent and hope he'll stop being a grinch.

Dan

We have got two huge twelve foot trees in the front yard that we plan on putting lights on next year. I waited too late this year and now the cold snap is on...Brrrrrrr...!
Verne
p.s Georgie boy can kiss our arbor vitaes... Grin
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« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2004, 03:12:49 am »

Hi folks,

When we left the assembly it was in November of 1989.  Christmas was coming.  We had been doing a small scale gift exchange in our own family for a few years before that.

Yes, I was backsliding from the One True Church even before '89.   Wink

The next year friends at our new church gave us some home made decorations.  They arrived with them as a surprise gift just as we were driving up with our first Christmas tree in years.  We still use those decorations, and they are very meaningful to us.

I am very thankful that we recovered our Christmas traditions while my kids were still at home, and helped them to have some of the warm memories I grew up with where family and friends would gather together during the season.  

Tomorrow, the "kids" and the grandkid will be here, and we will have a good time.

Yes, I know 12/25 isn't really Jesus' birthday.  Yes, I know there are pagan associations from the past....I just don't care.  I don't worship pagan gods.  I think Christmas has three main values.
1. I can be a great family time.
2. It is a time when our society "remembers" the birth of Jesus as a culture.  If the ACLU, (Anti Christmas Loser's Union,  doesn't like it.....tough.
3. The trees and the house lights are beautiful.

We began putting up lights on the house a few years back.  This year after I had put them up I had some old ones left over.

So, since I have an overhead camper sitting in my driveway, I put lights all around the edges, outlining the shape.  It is the best decorated truck camper west of Floydada, Texas!   Cheesy

God's richest blessings to all.....and Merry Christmas too.

Thomas Maddux
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« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2004, 08:16:44 am »

Hi folks,

When we left the assembly it was in November of 1989.  Thomas Maddux

Bought my first home in September of 1989.
First important step on my road to independence form George and company. It's been berry berry good....God is faithful!  Smiley
Verne
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2004, 08:34:08 am »

p.s ......... our arbor vitaes... Grin
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Just took one of the cone bearing conifers down.  An end to another enjoyable holiday.  I hope everybody else's was nice.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2004, 01:27:39 am »

Hi Dave and all,

Just got back from a Christmas in Vega$$$$ (to see my parents, not to cruise the casinos), so I haven't read the posts. Dave, I am the one who needs to apologize for the tone in my most recent post. I read Prager's article a few times - alas, however, not through the lenses of an Assembly-ite (current or former). I should have been more sensitive to that. Please forgive me.

By the way, Prager threw in a bit of his article on the LArry King broadcast. However, he, as well as Chopra, the writer of the "Newsweek" article on Jesus, Father Michael Manning, and Deepak chopra made absolute idiots of themselves regarding their views on God and Jesus. One redeeming point: their tv makeup looked great. I wondered how Chopra's eyebrows managed to sparkle and glisten every time he mentioned that "we are all Christs". Hmmm ... some divine spirit? Vaseline?
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2004, 02:58:30 am »

Jerre,

Thanks for your post.  Hope you enjoyed your LV Christmas.  Did you decorate tumbleweed? Wink

I agree with Prager quite often in his townhall commentary, but you are correct there are certain areas that he should just leave alone.

One time, I remember Prager got on this kick arguing that breastfeeding is not superior to bottle feeding.  I just didn't quite understand the energy he was putting into this topic.

But more significantly, I read his book "Ten Questions about Judiasm".  I wanted to understand better the religion my father grew up with and I began to see that I probably have more in common with conservative Jews than, say, the ACLU.

He first said that Jews put more emphasis on what people do as opposed to what people believe.  (True, its the old grace vs. works idea).  He spoke of Jesus as a Jewish teacher - much of which he would agree with - who was simply teaching a form of Judiasm.  It was Paul who was the nut who made Christianity to deviate.  He sees OT prophecies as out of context and sees no need for Jesus to be the Messiah as the Messiah that will come will set all things right.  They don't emphasize salvation but see their role as living by God's rules and being an example to the world about them.  You don't have to be a Jew to be "saved", but if you are a Jew you need to progressively move towards living like one.

Needless to say, I don't see eye-to-eye on everything but he does have strong opinions that he communicates very clearly and often time with good arguments.

-Dave
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2004, 05:29:29 am »

My sense is that the complaint is more about the advertisements rather than the custom of giving gifts.

It would be good to preferentially buy from companies that don't express hostility toward fundamentalist Christianity in their advertising.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2004, 07:08:19 pm »

My sense is that the complaint is more about the advertisements rather than the custom of giving gifts.

It would be good to preferentially buy from companies that don't express hostility toward fundamentalist Christianity in their advertising.
I've heard lots of stories in the news about companies intentionally changing "Merry Christmas" to "Happy Holidays" in order not to offend.  However, in practice I didn't observe this as there seemed to be plenty of mentions of Christmas.  Of course, I live in Bible Belt, NC - not Sodom by the Sea, Northern California.

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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2004, 10:52:33 am »

I've heard lots of stories in the news about companies intentionally changing "Merry Christmas" to "Happy Holidays" in order not to offend.  However, in practice I didn't observe this as there seemed to be plenty of mentions of Christmas.  Of course, I live in Bible Belt, NC - not Sodom by the Sea, Northern California.


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Dave,

You ought to move to California, where you can enjoy the Christmas holidays without freezing.  Sure there are some Walmart stores that ruin it all by using the word "Holidays"  instead of "Christmas" in their propaganda, but we can't help it because Walmart is controlled in Arkansas, the origin of Clinton and place of his cigar-shaped library out there in the Bible Belt. Cool

Happy new year!

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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2004, 10:58:09 am »



I've heard lots of stories in the news about companies intentionally changing "Merry Christmas" to "Happy Holidays" in order not to offend.  However, in practice I didn't observe this as there seemed to be plenty of mentions of Christmas.  Of course, I live in Bible Belt, NC - not Sodom by the Sea, Northern California.


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Dave,

You ought to move to California, where you can enjoy the Christmas holidays without freezing.  Sure there are some Walmart stores that ruin it all by using the word "Holidays"  instead of "Christmas" in their propaganda, but we can't help it because Walmart is controlled in Arkansas, the origin of Clinton and place of his cigar-shaped library out there in the Bible Belt. Cool

Happy new year!



Dan has a point, Dave...  The weather has been so cold across the "Bible Belt" lately that some of the red states are turning blue! Roll Eyes  (Okay!  I admit it: I borrowed that one from Jay Leno Grin)

Happy New Year, All!

al


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