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« on: May 22, 2003, 09:51:31 am »

You know, the more I think about it, the Assembly wasn't all that bad.  I mean, aside from George, Betty and David, we had it pretty good.

I think we should all go back.

Anyone willing to start up the meetings with me again?  

Bernt
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2003, 09:58:31 am »

You know, the more I think about it, the Assembly wasn't all that bad.  I mean, aside from George, Betty and David, we had it pretty good.

I think we should all go back.

Anyone willing to start up the meetings with me again?  

Bernt

Bernt,

I had to 'quote' this so that you can't delete or modify it.
I think I'm missing something. Are you serious??

M

oops, spelled my name wrong.
Do you think it would be a good idea to go back?  I mean, where are we going to find the New Testament Pattern?

Brant
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2003, 08:11:45 pm »

Brent---

I'm so excited!!! I've got all my stuff packed into
my car. Where's the nearest brothers house?? I
can't wait to start doing stewardships again!!!!
Do we still need to wear three piece suits on Sundays?
I promise this time to only talk about teachings that appear in the Assembly---I've thrown all my old Puritan books away.
Oh please, please, let me be one of the fortunate ones that can go back. I promise to be good.

--Joe
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2003, 09:48:31 pm »

Joe

I am afraid you have again mischaracterized the Assembly.
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Where's the nearest brothers house?? I
can't wait to start doing stewardships again!!!!

It is unfair to characterize every Assembly as having brothers' houses.  You know you are lying when you say that everyone was forced to live in communal housing.  You know it's not true, so why do you come on a stupid public forum like this and spread your lies and bitterness?  It is also misleadeading to suggest that every Assembly had stewardships.  You are projecting your experience onto everyone else's, which is biased and unfair.  There are plenty of teenagers who didn't do stewardships.

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Do we still need to wear three piece suits on Sundays?

Again, this is way out of line.  Not all groups wore three piece suits.  There was never any dress code in the Assembly.  I know plenty of people who came to meetings in jeans.  Sure, some of the people who were serious in their walks with the Lord wore suits, but they did it out of choice!  Do you hear me?  They did it of their own free will!  No one forced them, or "encouraged" them to wear suits.  If they didn't like it, they could have worn an exterminator's outfit, and no one would have said anything.  Where do you come up with this stuff.  In my Assembly, we wore 2 piece suits, or just a white shirt and tie.  I have a picture, where all the young men are wearing only a white shirt with a tie.  They look like a bunch of Mormon missionaries!  However, again, you have misled people by making them think that all Assemblies made the members wear 3 piece suits.  Why are you doing this?  It makes you look real bad.  Joe, this is baseless accusation on your part.  When I read it, I just laughed! HA HA HA HA HA!  The Assembly having a dress code?  Even if they did have a dress code, what's the big deal?  Tell me, what is wrong with a dress code?  Show me in the Bible where it says anything about dress.   Also, even if one or two people in your Assembly were told to wear suits, the way you tell it, it sounds like the leaders knew about it.  Can you prove they did?  NOT!!

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I promise this time to only talk about teachings that appear in the Assembly---I've thrown all my old Puritan books away.

Whoa! Shocked Are you suggesting that the Assembly discouraged reading certain kinds of books?  You are way out of line, and need to repent.  Maybe they did that in SoCal, or SLO, but they didn't do it in every Assembly.  The way you post makes it sound like the Assembly was against Christian literature, and that is not correct.  You need to make this right.  In my Assembly, we read something from a puritan writer named Baxter.  This was read at a couples' meeting, in public.  So I don't know where you get off saying things like "The Assembly wouldn't let its members read books by Puritan authors."  (direct quote from YOU!)

Joe, YOU are the problem.  You mischaracterize, mislead, and fabricate.  None of the things you said are true.   You are simply attacking God's people, who only served you.  I am glad you left, and no, you can't come back unless you repent.

Brint
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2003, 09:58:11 pm »

I have some swampland in Florida to sell.  You all seem like likely candidates.

Andrea
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2003, 10:03:58 pm »

Joe,

I think Andrea hit the nail on the head.  Why don't you go and live in a swamp in Florida.  That would be good.

I can't take your bitterness and accusations anymore!  I can't believe you had the nerve to spew a bunch of negative things about the Assembly on a public forum.

How dare you mention your car!  That was your choice Joe.  Don't even suggest that the leaders influenced you to give up your car.  If you didn't like their counsel, you could have left.  Now people are going to think that the leaders controlled people, all because of you not knowing your head from a hole in the ground!

Quit attacking! You are an ugly, stupid person, who never says anything true.  Everything you say is motivated by Satan.  Go take your sorry, pathetic life out of here, and quit attacking God's people!

Brnt
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2003, 10:15:39 pm »

I can't believe the rancor on this forum!!

quote from Dave Mauldin:
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Fullerton people  are   chimpanzeez

Dave, you should be ashamed of yourself.  These are dear people,  who have labored in the word in order to feed you.  Their homes were always open to you, and they were always there to pray for you, and you call them chimpanzeez!

Can't you people do anything but attack?  Are you so bitter that you have nothing good to say?  Quit your attacks and lies.  All you do is spout venom from your filthy mouths, and then make up stories!

I'm quoting you so you can't wiggle out of this one Dave.  You need to retract the statement you made, calling the Fullerton Saints chimpanzeez (sp?)

Brnot
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2003, 10:46:36 pm »

Wow!

This 'healing process' is taking a looong time.
Except for Stephen (I have deleted my post) it's time for all of you to call Dr. Laura.   I have a pretty good idea what she would say.

It's come to that, brothers and sisters, when all else fails ... call Dr. Laura.

M
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2003, 11:41:42 pm »

You know, the more I think about it, the Assembly wasn't all that bad.  I mean, aside from George, Betty and David, we had it pretty good.

I think we should all go back.

Anyone willing to start up the meetings with me again?  

Bernt

Bernt (relative of Erniet?)

Oh yes, let's.  
     For "when the Son of Man shall come, will he find faith in the earth?"  When the master returns, will we be found faithful?  Say, will he find you and me still watching?  Will we be about the master's business?  "Many shall be offended (fall away)...and because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."  
We need to "watch therefore, and pray always, that we may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. "

    And perhaps the brothers' homes weren't all that bad, at least for a little while perhaps they had a purpose.  We can all use some discipline, right?  How else would we be good disciples?  God provided a course for David when he was in Saul's household for a while, and Joseph in prision, Moses in the backside of the desert, etc.  "It is good for a man that he bear the yoke of his youth."
"Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. "  

     Oh, and I miss being with other believers who also love the old hymns as I do.  All this trash music in many churches is so loud, and you can hardly tell the difference between it and worldly music.  In this day and age, does anyone take the time to meditate--to be still and quiet before the Lord without all this carnal influence?  It's like we want to have our cake and eat it too.  We want entertainment and we want to say we are worshiping.  What was that someone said that there could be no worship without sacrifce. God is Holy, Holy, Holy after all.  "Come as you are to worship"?  
I thought it was "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus", "by a new and living way" to the "throne of grace to find mercy and grace to help in time of need."

     As what about the Bible?  I know people who have been Christians for years and yet they don't know Matthew from Mark.   I thought Jesus said, "If you continue in my word, then you are my disciples indeed."  How can we say that we love God if we don't love his Word?

    And what about outreach?  Wasn't Jesus' last and standing command to "go out into all the earth and preach the gospel and make disciples of all nations?"  So many Christians I meet could care less about the lost.  It just doesn't make sense.  Perhaps it is because they are wordly and compromised.  They don't want to preach the gospel and tell people that they need to repent from their wicked ways because they are enjoying wickedness themselves.  How strongly, on that day of Pentecost, did Peter warn -"Save yourselves from this wicked generation!"

     And what about prayer?  The old saying goes, "The family that prays together stays together."  What church have you found outside the assembly where EVERYONE in the assembly prays and prays often and fervently?

     And who are we to think that we shall not go through any sufferings but have it easy here in this nice safe and comfy America.  In the Hall of Faith in Heb 11, we see that the curriculum vitae for our faithful brethren in times past was that they endured tremendous suffering.  Indeed, and so did our Savior and Lord!  Do we then think that we can live a life of ease?  To such a one the scriptures give the example "Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee."

   What is your life about, are you living for Jesus?  Or is your life about making money?  
"But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition."
"Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy."
"For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways. "
"But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? "
"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. "

     Or is your life about your house, your wife, your relatives or even your very life?
"Is it time for you, O ye, to dwell in your cieled houses, and this house lie waste?  Now therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways."
"And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head. "
"And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life."
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. "
"For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. "
"Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye. "
"But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God. "

     And of course we know that the reason for why we do all of these things isn't out of fear but out of love and gratitude.  Thank God I'm saved!  He RESCUED me from this present evil age. I OWE MY LIFE TO HIM!  We should flee from wickedness and abandon ourselves to Christ and to doing good and righteousness!  Of course anything that I do is not for my glory, but for his!  Not by my strength but by his grace!
For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:  And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Soo....let's do it!  Are you running with me?  Are you in the arena, are you giving your all?  Are we pressing on the upward way?  Are we fighting the good fight?  As John Bunyan wrote "If anyone wants heaven, he must run for it!"

Arthur  Wink   Cry
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2003, 11:52:07 pm »

Ahh, Arthur!

A masterful display of using the scriptures to malign worldly Christians, and drive us on by guilt and obligation.

Arthur, I think you have totally grasped the nature of my thread!

If anyone was wondering, the purpose of this thread was threefold:

1.) To take attention off of another thread
2.) To "head off at the pass" a theme that I perceived (note the word perceived) cropping up, that being that the Assembly was really good, and only certain aspects of GG was "bad."
3.) To illustrate, using absurdity, how we have degenerated into Democrats and Republicans in the way we argue with and oppose one another, and don't actually read and understand what people are trying to say.  

I also had a good bit of fun with this, which I needed.  

Shall we make an attempt at edifying conversation today?

Thanks for the last paragraph Arthur.

Brent
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2003, 12:06:15 am »

DARN!  I threw away my head coverings a couple years ago!  Guess I'll have to go back to the fabric store and by a 1/2 yard of gaudy material...I think I'll try purple this time! Cool
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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2003, 12:42:51 am »

Well shoot guys, I would love to join you, but due to the fact that unbeknownst to me, I apparently had a "falling out with the assembly leadership" and had  "chosen sports and my friends over God"  I, according to assembly rule 136-14.185C cannot be a member of the new assembly due to the fact that my apparent wickedness was committed during a time where George was still revered.  Therefore I am grandfathered into past assembly practices and unfortunately will not be able to attend until these matters are cleared up.

With that being said, Im not quite sure if I was ever excommunicated, but if I was, and can manage to get unexcommunicated, can I:

A) please, please, please become a doorkeeper???  I know that my wardrobe of Polo Shirts and Dockers pants would not be acceptable clothing, but I promise to run out and buy some raunchy old suits that were made in 1986 so that I fit in with the other doorkeepers.

B) Secondly, can Tim Geftakys PLEASE be the leader of the new assembly.  I just really feel that we need a humble, honest, faithful, and physically fit leader to point us in the right direction.  I think Tim is actually a really good guy who has just been misunderstood.  I propose that we let him handle all assembly finances.

C)  I know its short notice, but could someone please reserve a lecture hall in Champagne, Illinois so we can have a seminar this Memorial Day Weekend.  I don't speak for everyone, but I got to believe that most people have no interest playing golf, watching the NBA playoffs, boating, being with their families, having some down time, etc., and would much, much rather be in a seminar listening to three hour long messages that make little or no sense.  As a matter of fact, I think we ought to add an 8th meeting on Monday, and have Sunday night be an all night of prayer.  This way, Sunday/Monday could just be one long 36 hour consecutive meeting.  

This is sooooooo exciting!!!

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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2003, 12:46:08 am »

DARN!  I threw away my head coverings a couple years ago!  Guess I'll have to go back to the fabric store and by a 1/2 yard of gaudy material...I think I'll try purple this time! Cool

Purple--lol, why not get something from Victoria Secret in satin pink?  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2003, 12:47:05 am »

Brent---

You are absolutely right. I've prayed about my rebellious spirit. I'm ready for my "consequences" now. I know I've just barely gotten back into the Assembly since you invited, and I already have "consequences". Brent--should I start with the windows, or do you want me to sweep out the garage? I'm really sorry for saying that the Assembly wouldn't let me read Puritan books. OK Ok, you're right, maybe George is a Puritan and reading his literature should be sufficient for me.

It was unfair to say that everyone wears three-piece suits in the Assembly. But, Oh, that reminds me, the cleaners called and said your suit is ready for pick-up. But I really apologize for making an accusation like that. I'm just a horrible person, a rebel, and no good. "Submit to them who have the rule over you" should be my daily anthem. But instead, I rebel. I'm so sorry Brent, I repent in dust and ashes. Have mercy uopn me.

--Joe Cry
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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2003, 12:48:51 am »

clothing, but I promise to run out and buy some raunchy old suits that were made in 1986 so that I fit in with the other doorkeepers.

lol, raunchy old suits.  I know exactly what ur talkin' about.  Well, u know we're not the rich of the world, so there u have it.

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B) Secondly, can Tim Geftakys PLEASE be the leader of the new assembly.  I just really feel that we need a humble, honest, faithful, and physically fit leader to point us in the right direction.  I think Tim is actually a really good guy who has just been misunderstood.  I propose that we let him handle all assembly finances.

Haha!  Too funny.  Physically fit--lol!  Well, "physical training is of a little value..." Grin
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