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DavidM
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« on: August 08, 2007, 01:45:51 am »

It was sixty years ago today the Kon-Tiki landed on a reef in the South Pacific Ocean!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kon-Tiki



  This is the story about a man who created for himself the adventure of a lifetime. Anyone read the book? Seen the movie?
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Joe Sperling
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2007, 02:21:56 am »

David---

Just recently I read where Thor Heyerdahl's granson Olaf repeated the journey his grandfather
made in 1947. Olaf's raft was put together better and made it in faster time---but Thor's accomplish-
ment at that time was amazing. I read the book a few times and always found it to be very exciting---
I would imagine myself on a raft in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. I love those kind of books!!

--Joe
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DavidM
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2007, 03:10:40 am »

  Thanks, did he write a book about it? Watching the movie is a kick! These macho Norsmen pulling sharks out of the water by their fins and pounding their heads with a pipe! "Ya that's good Sven conk him hard!"

I read Adrift last year!  By Steven Callahan. Steve's boat sank off the coast of Africa and he drifted accross the Antlantic! Just like Thor he road the current!  I figured it was a good classroom activity with my third graders. So we counted off the days starting in September and Finishing in November! We wrote him a letter and recieved a response.

http://www.amazon.ca/Adrift-Seventy-Six-Days-Lost-Sea/dp/0618257322
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2007, 03:32:57 am »

David---

No---Olaf hasn't written a book yet, but he most likely will. I read "Adrift!" also. I have read many
books about the survivors of ship wrecks. There is a book called "Sole Survivor--A Record of Endurance At Sea". It is about a Chinese man who survived 133 days at sea back in the 40's. Those types of books always amaze me, as keeping your sanity would be one of the hardest things to do---can you imagine how frightened one would be to sit adrift in the ocean with sharks circling and the weather threatening you?

One thing that happened on the "Kon-Tiki" voyage was the discovery of a fish called the "snake mackerel"---

The Kon-Tiki explorers discovered the legendary snake mackerel (latin name Gempylus) and had a rare sighting of the whale shark. Heyerdahl had two experiences with the Gempylus. The first was at night, when the snake mackerel was washed into Torstein's (one of the crew members) sleeping bag, the second was also at night, when the Gempylus tried to attack the lantern.  --from Wikipedia.

Great book to read!!
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DavidM
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2007, 04:19:25 am »

You like these books too! I love survival! Kids versions (fiction) Hatchet and My Side of the Mountain.  Yes I remember the snake makeral and the whale shark. What a great adventure! I have a big illustrated edition the kids love it. Thor was just a big kid!  Another book you probably have read, "Into the Wild" by Jon Krakouer. True story about Chris McCandless. It is now being made into a movie!

     Last year I almost died in the San Jacinto mountains! I hiked along the Pacific Crest Trail just north of Palm Springs. For three days I didn't see anyone, I didn't bring enough food, water, I underestimated the 02 levels at 10,000 feet! My phone didn't work! I finally ditched my equipment and limped into Idyllwild.   I'm heading back tomorrow! Hope I can do it right this time!

I will try and find a copy of Sole Survivor.


If I remember correctly Steven had a shark bump him awake one night. His raft was inflatable rings and the only thing separating him from the shark was nylon/plastic! Yea I think I would wake up!
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2007, 04:35:03 am »

Oh, here you are, Dave! I was looking for you.

I don't particularly like being accused of "hating" someone, as you have mentioned below. Do you have a complex or are you just a little bit too sensitive to what others say to you.

   A long while back I dissed a well known Christian artist, "Kinkaid" (Spelling?)  at that  time Moon posted a thread about my finer points. I think the Kinkaid thread was the last straw!  But I could be wrong? I've never found out why she did it or why she hates me?

I'm sure you'd like to blame me now for the "last straw" as you mentioned in the quote, but I think that is also a jump from reality as we know it.

Giant Blue Moon
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DavidM
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2007, 05:02:54 am »

Oh, hi Moon, do you like to read books? Do you like to hike? What would you like to chat about?
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2007, 05:49:27 am »

Yes I like to read books, too. Right now I'm reading Pavilion of Blue Whales, er Blue Moons, er, Pavilion of Women by Pearl Buck. I like her books.

I, too have read "Adrift". His survival skills were amazing. I'm surprised GG didn't make it  required reading for learning survival skills for those "left behind".  Wink

Giant Blue
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DavidM
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2007, 08:05:07 am »



     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2007, 05:39:45 am »

David,

I read Kon Tiki when I was in high school, (1956-1959), and at least once in the 70's. 

Thor Heyerdahl has had a long and interesting life.  He seems to be some kind of cultural anthropologist, and many of his journeys have had to do with confirming his theories.  When he was first married before WWII he and his new bride were deposited on an island in the south seas to live in paradise.  It turned out not to be such a paradise once you had to deal with the real problems of lack of medical care and social problems with the native culture.  I don't remember the name of the book I read about that experience.

Kon Tiki, was about his belief that polynesia was populated by South American Indians that sailed in rafts from the coast of Peru or Ecuador.  Later on he developed a theory that Ancient Egyptians had crossed the atlantic in rafts made from reeds.  He got this idea by studying tomb inscriptions.

To test it he had a raft built by people in Chad who live on a lake.  He got most of the way accross the Atlantic before it came apart.  Later on he had another built by Indians from Lake Titicaca. I was shipped to the Mediterranian  That one made it all the way accross.  The book is called "The Ra Expeditions".

Later on he sailed an Arab dhow from the Persian Gulf all the way over to the Pacific Coast of China.  I have forgotten the name of that book.

The last I heard of him he opened the Winter Olympics in Lilehammer, Norway.  (Spelling ?)

Tom Maddux

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2007, 08:18:30 pm »

Tom----

I believe the name of the book about he and his bride alone on the Island was "Fatu-Hiva". He also wrote a book called "The RA expedition" about the reed boat experiment you mentioned. I also read another book he wrote about Easter Island called "AKU-AKU". I found his writings fascinating when I was 15 years old or so, and read everything he had written at that time. He was Norwegian---they must have exploration in their blood, descended from the Vikings and all I guess! Cheesy

--Joe
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DavidM
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2007, 10:54:27 pm »

 Hey Joe, I took AKU AKU with me on my camping trip. I think it is a sequel to Kon-Tiki. He asserts the Island was first populated by people who came from the East off the continent of South America around 398 A.D. (The popular opinion was that Easter Island was the last to be populated by Polynesians from the West around 1400 A.D.) He and his team did a tremendous amount of archeological digs uncovering different people groups, artifacts and he uses these to determine that the island was inhabited at a much earlier time. He also uses DNA to determine ancestry!  This was in the early 1950's! (I'm still reading the book.) It seems to me that Thor has an agenda behind his work. He is possibly legitimizing a claim to the island held by the Peruvians?  I have a lot of questions brewing inside of me that I would like to shoot at a fine Christian as yourself!

Tom, there is a brand new edition out of the book you mentioned. It's at the Irvine Library. I remember reading the RA book! The boat tried to go from Egypt to South America via the Antlantic current, It sank just short of its goal!

   Tongue Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2007, 08:27:18 am »

Hey check it out!
http://www.kon-tiki.no/Heyerdahl/

I'm going to buy the model!


http://www.kon-tiki.no/Shop/index.html
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Joe Sperling
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2007, 08:16:36 pm »

David---

Thanks for those links.  Heyerdahl strongly believed that Polynesia was peopled from
migrants from South America. He believed that man had used the oceans to travel much
larger distances than historians believe. Whether he came close to proving that is doubt-
ful though as anthroplogists still don't accept his hypothesis.  But he definitely was a very
brave and interesting person---that's for sure!!

--Joe
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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2007, 10:00:26 am »

Joe and Dave,

In one of Heyerdahl's books that I read years ago, there was a section containing several tables and illustrations showing the similarities between the cultural artifacts of Siberian natives and the Indians of the Pacific Northwest.  This would fit the generally accepted idea that North America was peopled by people migrating from Siberia during a break in the last ice age.

Heyerdahl was participating in an argument that was going on among cultural anthropoligists in those days.  The Diffusionists claimed that ideas were developed in the Middle East and then spread slowly around the world via migrations and contacts between peoples.  Things like the existence of pyramids in Africa, Asia, North and South America was one evidence.  The Egyptian pyramids are the oldest.

The other side were known as the Independent Inventionists.  They pointed out the absence of actual evidence of contact between many cultures.  Cuneiform doesn't look anything like Maya glyphs, and the NA pyramids are all stepped and flat topped.

The discussion went on for decades.  Now, however, DNA studies have pretty much shown the migration patterns.  I have never read about how Heyerdahl's ideas have stood up to DNA evidence.  The Book of Mormon sure hasn't fared very well.   Wink

Heyerdahl's sea voyages were made in order to prove that ancient peoples had regular contact with each other even accross great expanses of ocean.  He sure demonstrated that it was possible.  I think in the long run the diffusionists have won on some points, and the Independent Inventionists on others.

One thing I learned from Heyerdahl was not to believe the history books when their non-sailor authors tell us that ancient voyages were always made within sight of land.  In pure sailing ships safety lies in getting away from the land in order to avoid being destroyed by a shift in wind direction.  Samuel Elliot Morrison, a US Navy admiral, made sailing voyages retracing Columbus' journeys.  He said the same thing.

Dave,

I read AKU AKU, but had forgotten it until you mentioned it.  I remember thinking how neat it was that Heyerdahl had gotten close to the natives until they revealed things to him about their history and religion that they had kept secret from academics that visited the island.  I wonder if the Manu they assigned to him ever gave him any trouble?

Tom Maddux
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