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Many of you are familiar with the Lords Treasury Box.  Many have given.  Only some have received. ( substantial amounts of money).  So I thought I would start a thread on the Lodge Money.  Things we would all like to know!!!!

1.) Where has all the money gone? :o

2.) Why the secrecy surrounding the money and lack of accountability?

3.) Is there a log in light of how the money has been distributed?

4.)  SInce the beginning of this ministry , does anybody know how much money that George and Betty have accumulated?

5.) How much is really sent to Africa? China? Nepal? Tibet?

6.)  How much do the workers get?

7.) Is this money used to finance college education for their children?

8.) Is it used to purchase cars for George, Tim , David , Betty , Mike Zach etc....?

9.) Do leading brothers receive money like a paycheck for themselves?

10.)  How can I get my money back?  ha ha ha :o


** Many of us in the lodge have been kept in the dark for so long as to the whereabouts of our hard  earned cash and where it has gone.  Churches who believe in accountability to God and  the flocks, make the flocks aware of how the funds have been spent and can produce it on paper, and even have meetings to let you know of how the money has been spent!!!!  WE would like to dialogue with former lodge members regarding this issue!  George has maintained that his life is an open book and so has the leadership and workers, and in light of the spirit of openness and healing, we would like to encourge  topics such as this to clear the air and get questions answered!

Dear Sue:

I can spare you the time and answer these questions for you:

All of the money is used for the work of the Lord, both here and ABROAD

Easy answer, you keep something secret, because you don't want people to know about it.

No, there isn't

No, nobody knows this.

Not too much.  I know how much I sent to some of these places, but I don't know the whole amount, neither does anyone else.

Not too much, unless you add the rent they collect, and the fact that their travel expenses and medical is payed for.

Yes, only if they are a Geftakys, or Zach.

Yes, it is.  Also, many cars have been purchased for these people by saints.  I won't name names, but I do know who bought the Zach's van, etc.  It does not need to be said who did it.

No, they tithe as well.  Their job is to see to it that every penny gets to Fullerton.

This is actually a very interesting point.  You can write off on your taxes everything you gave, IF you can account for it.  The burden of proof is on the Assembly, not on you, to prove that it was used in a manner befitting a church.

Brent

Brent,
Does the Federal Gov get  involved checking out fringe groups like the Lodge? Would they look at specific ppl involved?
Sue...great ?????????'s 8)
Teresa

When I lived with Tim G., I openly questioned him on where he got the money to buy his shiny new red sports car.  He got upset with me and told me to repent of my suspicions... >:(

1.) Where has all the money gone?

All of the money is used for the work of the Lord, both here and ABROAD



Brent, you failed miserably in your answer to this question.  Let the chief accountant from WorldCom help you with the money question:

All = The entire or total amount

the = THE in this case emphasizes MONEY  

money = the official currency, coins and paper notes, issued by a government.  

is = you can use the same definition that President Clinton used for this word

used = to exploit for ones own advantage or gain =  He gave nothing to his friends; he merely used them

for = support of

the = THE in this case emphasizes WORK  

work =  Moral or righteous acts or deeds of a Sadducee = Hypocritically self righteous

of = derived or coming from

the = THE in this case emphasizes lord  

lord = A man who has mastery in some field or activity =George Geftakys = mastery in the field of deception.  

both =In written usage, both and and, in combination, are usually construed as parallel; generally each is followed by a word or phrase that corresponds grammatically to what follows the other

here = variant of  Hera = The sister and wife of Zeus; identified by the Romans with Juno.  Zeus is the presiding god of the Greek pantheon, rule of the heavens and father of other gods and mortal heroes.  Zeus=George; Hera=Betty

and = together with or along with

abroad = Out of ones own country.  Location of non traceable offshore accounts =remember travel schedule

All definitions with the exception of = is = were taken from the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language.  Some words  added by Lori for emphasis

George, a special thank you for relocating your son, David, to a leadership position in SLO knowing full well his history of abuse.  How is your handling of this situation any different than how the Catholic church is handling their issue of abuse?   Deny, deny, deny, relocate, relocate, relocate.

YOU HAD THE POWER TO STOP IT YEARS AGO!

They are going to change their names so that when they move on to their next destination no one will be able to track them to this revealing website.

Rudy,
Please tell me that is not a picture of you!  It looks eerily similar to DG.  Looks like the name change has already taken place.  
Lori

Point well taken!  I think at the very least any new members should be made aware of this website so that they know what they are getting into upfront.  

I brought my parents out a few times and they tried to tell me that something wasn't right.  The LB's wouldn't even look them in the eye.   Now I know why the LB's didn't want us to go home for holiday's, birthday's, weddings, etc.  They didn't want us to get any outside perspective.  Nor did they want us bringing our parents out - it made the LB's very uncomfortable.  Oh, things are really making sense now.

Current members need perspective from the outside looking in.  

We as former insiders are more than willing to give our first hand experiences of the assembly to unweary newcomers.

GET OUT EVERYONE!  If still unsure, bring a parent to the meeting and watch how they are treated by the LB's.  And please don't give another dime to the assembly.  

Rudy,

It is just the hair line and a little in the jaw on Bruce Willis that looks like David G.  By all means, post your story.  The more people tell their story the more complete the picture becomes of what has gone on in the assemblies.  My mother and I were not alone.  However, we can only tell our stories and no one elses.  Please people, tell your stories, even if it doesn't seem bad.  People need a complete picture.

Rudy,
I don't know who you look like but the picture on the side of your posts definitely looks like how I remember DG's face to look like, it's been over 12 years since the last time I was priveleged to see him.  The receding hairline and the sun glasses, yeah, bears strong ressemblance.  Be careful of identity theft.

I am just learning how to post so bear with me.

Lori

This reminded me of something I wrote the day after my exit interview.
I do not know what the "stages of Lodge-withdrawal" are suppose to be, but I referred to it as my sarcastic stage:

GG was around 48 years old when I met him,
He never could remember anyone's name,
He needs a good retirement plan and
He has a few kid's to put thru college.

He suddenly realizes that he has the pattern, the Lord has laid it out before his eyes....

He has these friend Steve Irons and Margaret.  They are nice people, so anyone meeting them would be convinced this is a good place to be.

His kids can work their way thru college by gathering follows among those who have been abused, you know the drug addicts, prostitutes, those from abusive homes.

He could continue to abuse them, but in a way that they can feel good about.  They could give their lives for "this ministry".

And then he could set his sons up with the best super-models among the abusites.  Once he has enough to support himself, he can set them up with their own franchises.

He can also set up a pyramid scheme where any abusite who gathers enough followers can think they have their own franchise.  Of course they would need to forward him his retirement account to distribute,  he would draw a circle on the ground and throw the money up into the air.  Whatever part stays up, heaven can keep, whatever it throws back is for his retirement account.

He could adapt the best messages from those who have done this before, you know:

the way of the cross to keep the abusites cycling thru abusive behaviors,

the persecution as a sign of the Lord's soon return, so that the more ones try to pull them out the harder they cling

the faithful remnant, so they don't think they can just leave and go to another Lodge

church discipline to keep the abusites from listening to those who walk out on us.

Did you ever read Martin Luther's writings?  He started by pointing out how bad it was to get in debt with building funds like St. Peter's

and went on to have everyone keep a hectic schedule like the monks, but rather than wasting time in a monastery, they could be out working making an income with no time to spend it.

He could cancel Christmas and Easter is to increase friction with the abusites' natural family, so they will not be tempted to return to mom and dad.

He could even use the best part from the Catholics, he could be the pope with workers thru out the world reporting to him, and followers rewarded for how much they bring in to earn heaven.

but he would preach that he is only a brother among brothers (see Steve has a part)

Don't worry, he would never stab Steve Irons in the back when he is no longer needed.

Bob,

Sad but true.

Where is the money?

I would like to see George repent by selling his house and checking himself into prison.

I would like to see George return ALL the money he has embezzled from each and everyone of us.  

I am sorry I ever gave a dime to this ministry.  

I would like to see George pay child support for all the  children that he has fathered over the past 20 years in his adulterous relationships.

When I told my husband about the foot and hand massages George received from the women in fellowship he told me that there is NO WAY it wouldn't lead to more than that.  He was right!

Rachel, aren't you curious to all the aunts and uncles you may have that you never knew about?  I am amazed at  the treatment that you received from your own Grandpa.

Hang in there girl, the TRUTH is just beginning to be told.

Lori

Excommunication of George Geftaky's is letting the guy go  too easy.  Is George off to retirement now to enjoy all the money he embezzled from us over the years?

Lori,

I've been told that the IRS has "been given an earful" of George's dealings. It has been my contention that he spend the rest of his life defending himself against the secular authorities!

As for your money, the Lord knows the spirit in which it was given and at this point that is your only  consolation. Fortunately, it is an incredibly wonderful consolation if you really think about it!

Scott

Scott,

Per your statement:
As for your money, the Lord knows the spirit in which it was given and at this point that is your only  consolation. Fortunately, it is an incredibly wonderful consolation if you really think about it!

You are right!  I whole-heartedly agree.  I gave thinking it would benefit the work of the Lord - boy was I wrong!  I wish I had given the money to my sibling real brother who struggles every month to pay his bills.  He is a state trooper who risks his life everyday.  He is the # 1 state trooper in Kansas.  He has arrested more drunks than anyone in the state.  He talks to the drunks about God.  He is the best missionary I know.  

I also believe that it is easy to say I am sorry.  For George to say he is sorry and then keep the money he virtually stole from each and everyone of us is criminal.  Isn't there a verse about stealing and if caught to repay 7 times?  Let's see 5 years of fellowship x $40 per week is $10,400.00 for me x7 = $72.800.00  Lets get the numbers out there.  I want my refund of $72,800.00 to go directly to Judy and Rachel.  I don't think 7 times would be enough for the pain they endured.  

I am a CPA and I deal with the IRS regularly in my course of doing work.  I know that if the IRS audited George although they wouldn't have an audit trail because he conducted all his business in cash, at least the income portion.  The IRS has other ways to figure his income - such as looking at his expenses.   It is not possible to pay bills without having the money to pay bills.   There are phone bills, electricity bills, property tax bills, there are records.  He will have to prove where he got the money to pay his bills.  The burden of proof is on George.  

I wonder what country George is about to exile himself to?

Lori

Lori,

I bet it will be someplace sunny!

If I have a refund due, I'll wait and collect when I'm at the Pearly Gates! Treasure stored up in heaven and all that, ya know!

Scott

Scott,

I have a good joke for you!

A man was dying and he begged God to allow him to bring one suitcase to heaven with him.  God finally agreed.  The man filled his suitcase with gold.  When he got to heaven everyone was asking him why he brought pavement.  :D

Lori

Hi Lori !!

You bet, I'll tell Linda you want to get in touch.  Your friend Scott is right about the money - God knows.  

Rob K

 :)  WOW- Well Said Sue! You go Girl.

Greetings to you and Garth from your old buddy- Vinnie Galati in St. Louis.  I came out of the assembly in 1994 after 11 years. God is so good. He opened my eyes and plucked me out- to Him be all the Glory. I just found this site today via Joe Babor and can't get off it. It's 1 in the morning! Good Night- Stay in Touch- VPG

I am a newbi to the site. I left the assembly in 1994 after 11 years. What is the lodge? We never used that word then.  I assume you are referring to the work or the Geftakys assemblies.  Is that correct? Thanks, VPG

The "lodge" was a term coined by John Malone, who has since stopped posting on this site and requested that all of his posts and article(s) be removed from this site.  And yes, he coined the term to represent what we use as "assembly".  He believed (I think) that word better described what the assembly was, rather than using the biblical term, "assembly".

Hello All!  Lets get back to the subject at hand!  Where is the money that we each have given?  Has the IRS been informed of the misuse of George's money?  If not will someone take the steps who knows the books?  Lets pray that way, that the money and all its vast darkness is brought to the light of all of its misuse.  WE NEED TO KNOW!

Sue,

Do I have to show you ALL the money? 8)

I wonder whether a lot of money went to a blackmailer?

Maybe. Her initials might be BG.

This is like asking the mob to show me the money. I understand that Betty once kept the "books" and then that job got passed onto Mark Miller. Now can you say two sets of books? The curious things is, why keep records? Why keep track of where the money is... Oh yes, because it isn't for the sheep it is for the wolf. His retirement plan.

Oh CPA out there... How long after selling your house do you have to buy another house to avoid paying taxes on the money you made might be another good question. When George & Betty bought their original home it cost them $35,000.00 and they sold it in the $600,000. range.
Inflation, whatever. I don't begrudge them the high market value but where is that money going?

Follow the money, it is an interesting trail.....

Heide

Have G&B sold their house?

G&B's house was in escrow... The got help moving out! That's all I know....

Heide

Anybody know where G and B are moving?

Hey Pat,

Supposedly they are down in Riverside. Another small gathering that likes the wisdom of hearing GG. Mike Almundsen (sounds like but is probably spelled wrong!) came up and helped them move.

The real estate company was called and although could not tell us exactly how much the house sold for, did say it went in the $600,000. range. So many thanks to everyone who put so much effort into that house! You helped GG out ALOT!
Yes, that is sarcasm....

Heide

It is "Mike Almonzor" (again, probably not spelled correctly, but at least this is the pronunciation.)

I can't help but feel sorry for Janine Almanzor.  :'( :'( :'(

Hi all,

Since George and Betty are both past 55 they can shelter, I believe, $500,000 from taxes.

Thomas Maddux

disgusting :-[ :-[

Still better than the IRS getting it.  hehe ;D

Actually,  I'd rather see the IRS get the money than to see the G's enjoy it.  If there's anyone who can track down money it's the IRS.  I hope the IRS sends some Tommy Lee Jones-type agent to get all over their backs.

Jack

Has the IRS been notified?  If not what is the process? As far as I'm concerned, the whole Geftakys family can eat scraps off of the street for the rest of their lives.

Well, maybe somebody should report them.  If the internet can help bring down his empire, leading to him selling his beloved house and fleeing across county lines to Riverside, it could easily do the same with a quick visit to www.irs.gov and point/click at the "report tax fraud" button.  Just a thought... :D

Im on it...I was looking at the  IRS site earlier, but somehow missed the fraud section.  We will see what happens.

It looks like a little more is involved than visiting the internet to report tax cheats.   It's nice that GG sold his house so that he has come cash laying around to reimburse Caesar that which he should have rendered over the past 20+ years.  The interest alone would probably put Willie Nelson back into bankruptcy.  Here's some info I downloaded from the IRS's website if anybody with useful information about GG's alleged fraud would like to see him pay up:



Where Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?
 
If you suspect tax fraud or know of an abusive return preparer, nonfiler, someone participating in abusive trusts, or someone not reporting employment tax, you should report this activity to your nearest Internal Revenue Service office.


If you have information about an individual or company you suspect is not complying with the tax law, report this activity.

When in doubt - seek help from the IRS or a tax professional.

This information can be communicated by phone or in writing to your local IRS office.

 
 
Dan Fredrickson

Here is alittle speculation for you....

The IRS can't track cash. People over the years have given cash. Betty use to keep the "books" until Mark Miller took over. How many books are there?

Betty & George have lived between the lines, filing their taxes. They have been investigated many times. Without people coming forward and saying I gave this much and this much and it was all cash, there is NO way to track it.

Here is the slanderous part, I'm sure George hired the very best tax attorney he could find. Perhaps an attorney out of San Diego who helps people set up accounts in different countries, like Greece. Since George has dual citizenship, that shouldn't be too hard. Legally they could run money thru a dummy corporation and into Greece. The Torch & Testimony is considered a foreign corporation. In my notes, Ariel was started to print the Torch and then a few years ago bought by a corporation. I'm not sure how all this works out but it certainly is a good bedtime thought....

Heide

Well, given how southern california is the cult capital of the world, there's probably several attorneys that specialize in helping cult leaders hide their cult money...in a foreign country via phoney corporations like the Scientology and Moonie leaders do.  Pretty standard proceedure, nothing sophisticated.  Oh well, at least he can't take it with him.  But just think, the money we were told that would be put to use for the Lord's work will probably be continued to be wasted by DG for more car parts, cigaretts, wine (per other postings/testimonies), and probably other vices.

Overall, the money is not a concern, it's gone and forgotten.  I just don't like the fact that it's being used for reasons other than the original intent, like financing DG's debauchery.  Therefore, I'm writing a letter to the IRS and Calif. Franchise Tax Board that documents the amount of money I gave to GG & Co., then bring it to a branch office and talk about it with an agent.

Awesome!  I wish more people would step up and hold these wicked men accountable!

It seems to me that we (as in former, current, whatever Assembly members- anyone involved in the Assembly for any length of time) need to collectively take this attitude.  It's not about being vindictive or bitter or spiteful, it's about being accountable and holding those accountable that need to be held accountable.  

This should be undertaken by everyone as a collective.  The more people that are involved in bringing the truth of what actually happened to the authorities ("Caesar" or "The worldly authorities", as it were), the more George and company are going to realize that they can't "lead us as lambs to the slaughter" and get away scott free.  

We can all continue to debate, bicker, argue, call names, be divisive amoungst ourselves, etc., discuss theology, methods of worship, and so on, but honestly, until we get this whole issue of George and his gangbangers off our collective chests and out in the open, exposed where it needs to be and resolved, we will never truly heal as a community of believers and will never in this life be able to hold George more accountable than the mild things we already have done.  Come ON! Really!  Do we let him get away with early retirement?  If any one of us "underlings" from the assembly were to pull what George has, we'd be in jail so fast our head would be spinning.

I have on a personal level come to a great level of peace and am moving on now that the issues have come to light.  But my sense is that, on a corporate level, as a group of believers, we aren't exactly being good examples by rolling over, growling a bit (by barking about our bitterness on various bb's) and playing dead and just letting things be.  Please don't get me wrong, I'm am not an advocate for allowing the Assembly to continue, but by us coming together in this way, I believe that we, as a group of believers with a common experience, need to do this as an example to all other believers of other demoninations that accountability is paramount.

Let's resolve this whole issue once and for all.  Stop beating a dead horse and bury it already.