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Margaret
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2005, 06:04:23 am »

Tom, I agree there's much more that needs to be said. The question is whether it will find a hearing. But I guess there's nothing like the good ol' college try.
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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2005, 02:32:33 am »

This post is going to cost me some ice-cream but Sondra I am putting you on notice.
If you come on this BB and continue to  engage in any kind of disrespectful treatment of Tom as the board moderator I am going to become very unpleasant. Try me.
Verne
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2005, 07:33:07 am »

What brand and flavor do you like, Verne?
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vernecarty
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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2005, 08:21:20 am »

What brand and flavor do you like, Verne?



Hagen Daz PISTACHIO!

Verne
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2005, 09:04:14 pm »

O.K. Some of you are asking about the fighting words (and they are) so let me try to explain.


Tom,

I didn't have to bother, did I?  Funny that the Moderator tends to delete only those who disagree with HIM... 

There is not a poster on this board that does not know that Ms Jamieson has summarily deleted not only the posts, but also the accounts of those on her website that disagreed with her.
I despise hypocrites.



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Oh, but he would like us to believe that his "attacks" aren't personal in nature. The lesson.  Don't ask the turkey if he wants to have Thanksgiving this year.  (My lawyer told me that one.)   Grin  Those who killed the Lord also pretended that they were objectively doing the people a favor and putting down heresy and One who was disruptive of their religion.  Hmmmm.

Delusional God complex. Delusional persecution complex. She should  be given the title of Diablos - slanderer.
The record of her own website will reveal more strident accusation and bitter hatred  and castigation of others than those she accuses of the same.
When has any visit by her to this BB not ultimately resulted in conflict with those posting here?
As I stated before, all that time spent in the company of a juvenile dilinquent has robbed her of her of the facility for keeping the company of adults. She proves me right every time she shows up.



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Ever hear of "the turtle and the hare?"  Some things start out slow, but end up winning the race.  Your ridicule of myself and SWTE doesn't bother me Tom.  We've been ridiculed and poked fun of by much better (at least funnier and more interesting) than you - such as Joe Sperling.  I actually laughed at most of his pokes at us. 

You are now trying to curry favor with Joe Sperling??!! Him of "Mighty Mouse" sobriquet??!


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Yours, however Tom, are not that funny to me because they have behind them a sense of arrogance and hatred.  You can smugly throw mud at us and it's called wisdom ?? but when someone criticizes you or one of your buddies, it's called "attacks."This is a ridiculous contradiction to most who read this site and who read SWTE - which from what I understand is mostly the same people. 

You lack grace madam.
You lack class.
You lack dignity.
You have a problem with Mr Maddux?
Take it up with him privately and work it out between you.
But that is not what you are interested in is it?
Oh no! You want an audience, not peace.
What is the meaning of this public castigation of a man who is not only your senior, but frankly also your better?

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Just for the record...Tom has made many cutting remarks about how no one reads SWTE and how I talk to myself in my posts on SWTE, etc....  Just to set the record straight and for all those folks interested in numbers -

1).  Our one time hits are much lower than AB's because we aren't posting nearly as much by as many members so readers tend to check once a day or so, knowing our patterns. 

2).  The determining factor to high 'hit' numbers is the posting.  When someone posts, the hits from the posting climb drastically. 

My point -  the level of interest may be close to the same, all readers who are reading AB reading all that we post regardless of what Tom smugly implies. 

My style of posting is more of a blog style.  Authors of books don't make apology for "talking to themselves" and neither do I.  Our purpose from the beginning was not to collect members and compete in any way with AB.  Numbers have never been our concern. 

Back to the "turtle and the hare."  I love this principle.  I have found this principle to be true in business and many other areas of life.  If you will continue to be faithful and walk with God and "listen to the burning bushes"  Wink  - the victory will be won eventually.  Psalm 37 is full of similar instruction.

And that is why you disabled the stats on your board right?

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Why is this?  Because God's power gives the victory.  Those who do all they do in the Spirit, yes, through hearing God, are in step with God and cannot help but win.  (I'm not happy for the losers, but I am happy for those who win in God). 

To walk in the Spirit entails living and speaking in unction with God's Spirit and is therefore effortless and without strain.  These feel the thermal winds beneath their wings who sense the moving and animation of God in what God uses them to do or to speak.  To live in the strength of natural intellect and emotion, (the reasoners) as Tom has in this post, one gets exhausted eventually and others who read get weary.

Some have transitioned from bitterness and are getting on with their lives having thus reported abusive control and unrighteousness.  Sadly, others have become the abusive controllers and confirmed themselves further in it. 

Now, if you want to delete this post, it may mean that you are the one who is in hatred and bitterness, because the truth no doubt offends you.  None of us agree on everything regarding our faith, but from my understanding, some of the prominent members of this board agree with my perspective as stated above.

Sondra

Your invoking God's name makes me want to puke. Your conduct repeatedly belies your profession of faith madam.
You need to repent of your wickedness.


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p.s. Tom, I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU....just so you know.  I have confidence in my views and I am not afraid of your rejection.  I wish peace among all of my brethren, but you have chosen from the beginning to act pompous toward me and my views.  The rejection of pompous, religious, "know-it-alls" only affirms me.

This is not a statement that any real warrior would make. Your very raising the issue exposes your true condition does it not?

You can say whatever you want. If you attack anyone on this BB, I intend to respond and to do so forcefullly.


Verne



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al Hartman
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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2005, 09:30:16 pm »



DISCLAIMER:  the following post (except for the closing disclaimer) is presented purely as humor.  Not necessarily good humor, but humor nonetheless.  Any resemblance to serious matters is strictly coincidental (even though the poster doesn't believe in coincidence):

Ever hear of "the turtle and the hare?"  ... I love this principle.  I have found this principle to be true in business and many other areas of life. 

Sondra, in this quote you reveal the weakness of your position:  You see, "turtle" designates the broader order of Testudines, including both aquatic and terrestrial varieties.  The proper King James rendering of Aesop in the tale to which you refer is "tortoise," referring singularly to the family of Testudines that dwell upon land whereas, by default, a "turtle" is assumed to be a water-dweller.  I'm sure that, even from great heights, your eagle-eye can see that the idea of a race between a land-dwelling hare and an aquatic turtle may be the source of unending doctrinal disputation, much as the whale-vs-large fish controversy of Jonah...


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  ...These feel the thermal winds beneath their wings who sense the moving and animation of God in what God uses them to do or to speak.  


This reminds me of a true story I read (possibly in Readers Digest-- a very worldly publication I used to peruse in my carnal days).  Back in the day when hang-gliding was at its peak of popularity, one enterprising man studied the habits of west coast seagulls to learn their secrets of successful soaring.  What he discovered was, exactly as Sondra suggests, they ride the "thermals," or rising currents of warm air.  So this fellow endeavored to emulate, and even to join the gulls, launching his glide from a high cliff above the Pacific at a time when the gulls were hovering en masse.  He met with immediate success, and followed the flock for hours and for miles, enjoying the exhiliarating uplift of the breezes.  Finally, far from any shore, they struck a dead-calm.  As man and glider plummeted toward the water, the man helplessly watched the birds begin to flap their wings and fly away...

Those readers who are waiting for my practical application of this to Sondra's post are going to be disappointed, as I don't have one to offer-- I just think it's a funny story! Grin


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p.s. Tom, I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU....just so you know.

Sondra, I just want you to know you have no reason to fear me either, unless you catch me first thing in the morning, before I've gargled my Listerine-- that could be dicey for you!

al  Grin

DISCLAIMER:  the above comments (with the exception of the opening disclaimer) are presented purely as humor.  Admittedly weak humor, but an honest attempt.  Any resemblance to serious matters is strictly coincidental (even though the poster still doesn't believe in coincidence):
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Elizabeth H
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2005, 01:17:35 am »

work it, al!  Cool

seriously, this BB needs a little more levity and a little less gravitas.

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moonflower2
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2005, 05:31:30 am »

O.K. Some of you are asking about the fighting words (and they are) so let me try to explain.


There is not a poster on this board that does not know that Ms Jamieson has summarily deleted not only the posts, but also the accounts of those on her website that disagreed with her.
I despise hypocrites.



Delusional God complex. Delusional persecution complex.
Has this quote in red ever been brought out before? If not, it should have been since it is the underlying cause for the existence of SWTB
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She should  be given the title of Diablos - slanderer.
The record of her own website will reveal more strident accusation and bitter hatred  and castigation of others than those
she accuses of the same.
When has any visit by her to this BB not ultimately resulted in conflict with those posting here?
As I stated before, all that time spent in the company of a juvenile dilinquent has robbed her of her of the facility for keeping the company of adults. She proves me right every time she shows up.



You are now trying to curry favor with Joe Sperling??!! Him of "Mighty Mouse" sobriquet??!


You lack grace madam.
You lack class.
You lack dignity.
You have a problem with Mr Maddux?
Take it up with him privately and work it out between you.
But that is not what you are interested in is it?
Oh no! You want an audience, not peace.
What is the meaning of this public castigation of a man who is not only your senior, but frankly also your better?

And that is why you diabled the stats on your board right?

Your invoking God's name makes me want to puke. Your conduct repeatedly belies your profession of faith madam.
You need to repent of your wickedness.


This is not a statement that any real warrior would make. Your very raising the issue exposes your true condition does it not?

You can say whatever you want. If you attack anyone on this BB, I intend to respond and to do so forcefullly.


Verne



Very accurate, Verne
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vernecarty
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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2005, 12:41:55 pm »


 I make mistakes, of course, and hope that people with mature spiritual understanding will let me know when I do. 

Sondra


Yes you do, and it does not take people with "mature spiritual understanding" to let you know.
Quit with the smug posturing already Sondra.
Let me give you an example:
My eight year old could tell you that calling your supposed sisters in Christ "groupies" is vile, vulgar and vituperative.
Let us see if you have any control whatsoever over that beast that rages within.
You owe the females on this BB you thus referred to an apology and I mean a sincere one.
How dare you come on here after such an ungdoly display of carnal defilement and viciousness with your empty and blasphemous talk about God? Let's see if you have any decency whatsoever.
You apologise to these sisters for your foul vulgarity of not too long ago...
Verne

p.s. you also lack the one thing that truly adorns a Christian woman (and man) with true beauty within (and IMHO) without - humility.
Quit telling us what a spiritual giant you are and rather demonstrate it for us.
I am sure both Marcia and Margaret (women I trust you admire, as do I) would be happy to give you some pointers...
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moonflower2
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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2005, 04:57:08 pm »

Yes you do, and it does not take people with "mature spiritual understanding" to let you know.
Quit with the smug posturing already Sondra.

Again, right on the mark.
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al Hartman
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« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2005, 03:55:57 am »



work it, al!  Cool

seriously, this BB needs a little more levity and a little less gravitas.


Well, thanks, E., but I have to say that your observation caused me some consternation.  I was a little sleepy when I first read it, and I thought you were using the Latin term for gravity which, if reduced to any significant measure would send us all flying helplessly into space...

Then the coffee (which I only drink, thank you) started to kick in and it occurred to me that you would be more likely to be using Spanish than Latin, and I wondered why you would want to see more gravies on the bb?

Finally, I looked up "gravitas" in my trusty Webster's Collegiate, and it said "high seriousness," which took me back to the "Jesus movement" of the 1960s, when people were trying to be serious while they were high...

Am I somewhere within the ballpark of your post?

gravitationally, deep fried, and holding on for dear life,
al
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Elizabeth H
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« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2005, 05:00:59 am »

al,

lol. don't work so hard! yes, gravitas in the sense of "high seriousness"---remember during the 2000 presidential campaign when all the pundits kept saying how G.W.Bush lacked "gravitas" whereas Al Gore exhibited profound "gravitas" and what we really needed in this country was someone with "gravitas" etc. etc.

so, a little more levity and a little less "high seriousness."

E.


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al Hartman
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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2005, 03:18:42 am »



Alas, rawther bad form, old girl!  If it's worth posting on this board, by all means post it!  But if not, well then just leave it to lie where it fell.  What you're doing here appears seductive, as if tempting the weak with forbidden fruit.  Or is that the point?  If you can't honestly persuade someone, go about it seditiously?

Seriously, I departed the SWTE board long ago, and have no problem with posts from there appearing here, but have also had no problem never having returned there to test the waters.  Your comments are welcome here as long as they're reasonable.  A hyperlink by itself is not reasonable, considerate, or polite.  Please, at least offer some commentary or explanation, and stop with the "mysterious" links...

al
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« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2005, 04:31:20 pm »



Folks,

I have replied to Sondra personally in a private message, because I don't believe that discussion of this nature contributes anything worthwhile to the public forum.  I have no desire to flex my debating skills before an audience OR privately.  Sondra and I will come to a meeting of minds, or we will not, but either way I have no intention of appearing censor-like on this board.  I have expressed an opinion and it stands as offered, with one exception:

Sondra rightly points out my questionable use of the word "seditiously."  I meant it more in the sense of contributing to or inciting secession, i.e., an effort to lure people away from this BB by enticing means, which I wondered and openly asked her whether she was attempting to do.  Sondra's interpretation of the word is quite correct, and is in fact its primary definition.  I should have chosen more wisely, and for this I apologize to all who misunderstood my intention.

For me, it has been delightful to have a brief time of peacefulness on the board, and I had, and have no desire to participate in a brouhaha over anything less significant than heresy to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Because of His grace,
al
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vernecarty
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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2005, 05:50:35 pm »


  I should have chosen more wisely, and for this I apologize to all who misunderstood my intention.

Because of His grace,
al



No need to apologise Al. Posting a link without commentary or explanantion on this BB is discourteous and contemptuous of those posting here. One of the board moderators has already made it clear to her that this practice is unacceptable. This is a person, self-righteous posturing and condemnation of others notwithstanding, who clearly considers herself subject to no one, and beyond all correction and/or entreaty.
Leave her alone. I agree with you completely, that it is not worth the time nor the effort...




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  I had, and have no desire to participate in a brouhaha over anything less significant than heresy to the Gospel of Jesus Christ

I have been thinking about starting a thread called "Basic Doctrines".
Some of the remarkable confusion you see, and in my view the vast majority if heretical ideas stem from a failure to grasp some of the most basic and fundamental truths of the faith. In fact, in many of the neo-evangelical seminaries, there has been abandonment of such fundamental tenets as propitiation, which a failure to rightly understand IMHO, leads to many of the most common errors regarding the nature of salvation. A good place to start is a consideration of the Biblical teaching of justification...what exactly does that term mean? A lot of folk think they know but clearly by their stated ideas  have no clue...

Verne
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